tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-423050459919800481.post889018738590115822..comments2024-03-04T05:26:22.273-08:00Comments on Propnomicon: Dwarven Trail RationsPropnomiconhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02073463298965255652noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-423050459919800481.post-16669614730425453742017-01-14T10:44:25.097-08:002017-01-14T10:44:25.097-08:00@Bea
That is the WORST advice for cooking liver I...@Bea<br /><br />That is the WORST advice for cooking liver I've ever heard. You want liver to be cooked through evenly without over cooking. Over cook it and it gets grainy and tastes much more strongly over liver, metal, and blood. Scorching the outside and cooking very well done are excellent ways to get leathery strong tasting liver. <br /><br />Liver needs to be first soaked in salted milk or water. To draw out some of the funkier flavors. And then cooked gently. Poaching is one way. Larger pieces can be slowly pan fried. Or Confit. My family traditionally roasts poultry livers with a small amount of fat at low heat for pate. Sous vide works well. Internal temperature should hit at least 145f and absolutely can't exceed 160f. Depending on how firm you want the texture and how litle pink. 160 is the USDA recommendation, and its a little high. Very firm, no pink, a little grainy. In my experience right around 150 works best for most applications, less grain but a bit of pink and softer. There's a reason that liver is so often the source of pates and sausages and its because those dishes are cooked very gently.<br /><br />Which brings me to: Pate's are/were originally all about preserving meat and delicate organ meats. So while sauteed liver certainly wouldn't be road food, it could have been confit/potted. Confit chicken livers and Foie Gras are both deeply tradition in France, especially northern France. And the right sorts of pate wouldn't be great for long storage but it'd certainly be nice in the early parts of a trip. Rillettes would be a good choice. Essentially confit meat blended with fat and jarred/canned/potted for medium to long term storage. You smear it on bread. More rustic "farm house" style rillettes tend to be coarsely shredded like pulled pork. <br /><br />https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rillettes<br /><br />Also cured/canned/pickled fish. Salt cod was and still is in many northern climates. Pickled Herring. Salted and smoked fish of any sorts. The Russians eat a heavily salted dried fish as a beer snack. Its pretty damn good. And as you eat it by smashing it on a table to soften, then pulling out the jerky light meat it would be pretty dwarven. <br /><br />https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vobla<br />Ryuthrowsstuffnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-423050459919800481.post-27221036309250344352017-01-10T09:59:57.083-08:002017-01-10T09:59:57.083-08:00@Joseph Hallam
Heh. It is a bit much for most no...@Joseph Hallam<br /><br />Heh. It is a bit much for most non-Finns.Propnomiconhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02073463298965255652noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-423050459919800481.post-81335745390759795072017-01-10T04:07:48.716-08:002017-01-10T04:07:48.716-08:00I've been here 3 years now and I have yet to f...I've been here 3 years now and I have yet to fall in love with salmiakki...De Profundishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00546006425917760505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-423050459919800481.post-18086431510426396192017-01-09T11:11:55.998-08:002017-01-09T11:11:55.998-08:00@ Joseph Hallam
The harsher the weather the more ...@ Joseph Hallam<br /><br />The harsher the weather the more techniques a culture develops to preserve food. The one Finnish food I just can't handle is the salty licorice. <br /><br />@CoastConFan<br /><br />As much as I love modern trail conveniences like freeze dried entrees there's something to be said for the old ways. The single most valuable food item I carry these days is a ziploc bag filled with all purpose flour. There's just so much you can do with it, and nothing beats fresh pita bread.<br /><br />@bea<br /><br />Have you ever had deli style chopped liver?<br /><br />It. Is. To. Die. For. <br /><br />Propnomiconhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02073463298965255652noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-423050459919800481.post-18542072560981886822017-01-09T07:48:07.188-08:002017-01-09T07:48:07.188-08:00Chicken livers are good (provided you like liver a...Chicken livers are good (provided you like liver at ALL)provided you cook them VERY well done.<br /><br />Liver is a dense thick meat that needs to be pretty scorched on the outside to getths inside done.beahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04247697017290457132noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-423050459919800481.post-29899407791269404892017-01-09T05:43:52.828-08:002017-01-09T05:43:52.828-08:00The discussion about trail food has been around fo...The discussion about trail food has been around for a while on Propnomicon and each post (and comments) is always interesting. Even today issues of portability, weight, and spoilage are still valid. The secondary issues of palatability and nutrition do take a back seat, but are still in the car. Over the years, things have improved, even in the 20th and early 21st century trail food got better. <br /><br />Those of you who have eaten combat rations/MREs known that even they have evolved over the past 50 years considerably. Modern preserving techniques such as irradiation have become standard and freeze dried, which has been around since before WWII has also improved^. Taste and palatability of MREs has only really become on par with “real food” in the past couple of decades.<br /><br />Here’s a link to a Roman army reenactor site that has two downloadable DOCs about making food for Roman army reenactors, that might help some RPG/LARPers as well as some historical reenactors as well. BTW rather than trying to make the favorite sauce, garum, modern Worchester sauce is a good sub and probably tastes about the same. <br />http://romanrecruit.weebly.com/food.html with links for the fortunatus-cookbook.doc and legion-rations.doc <br /><br />For those of you with a wider scope and perhaps even geekier, consider getting a copy of The Logistics of the Roman Army at War (264 BC to 235 AD) by Jonathan P. Roth, 1988, ISBN 90-04-11271-5 for the logistic minded. It might come in handy in designing a game or a campaign.<br /><br />Project Gutenberg has a free download of Marcus Gavius Apicius book, Cookery and Dining in Imperial Rome http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/29728 which might give you some game ideas.<br /><br />^Although the technique has been around since 1906, Nestlé pioneered the commercial process to make their instant coffee in 1938, Nescafe. The process was also used in the US during WWII, ensuring that GIs had instant coffee available in the field with their rations.<br />CoastConFanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07250561260148656254noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-423050459919800481.post-78751084202362300272017-01-08T08:00:43.896-08:002017-01-08T08:00:43.896-08:00Man, I love this idea. I'm actually living in ...Man, I love this idea. I'm actually living in Finland and lot of the potential foods you suggested are pretty much everyday fare over here :D Particularly ruisreikäleipä which is straight up Finnish.De Profundishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00546006425917760505noreply@blogger.com